UPDATED!! My response to soosidecelt aka SoInDeceit NOW IN LALALAND!

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July 1, 2011:

This moron is at it again, still while in LALALAND! Just left me comment (published at the end of this post)! Were it to not come from one such piece of garbage, I would be flattered for the continued visits!  

Me fuming? Actually not! You'd have to be worth something for anyone to bother getting upset! Besides, the filth that proceeds from your heart is only harmful to you, not me! 

It would do this moron wonders to at least have a command of the language, but, that would be too much for her/his little brain to assimilate, which IQ must barely hit room temperature!

IT, this ANOMALY OF CREATION (an IT it must be, dumped in the sewer by someone!) even stutters when writing her sewer-mouth filth, if one can call it writing! Probably hasn't passed the GED exam!

Why should I be the only one to be amused?! Here I provide an example for all to see! Most can just see the deplorable condition of some who have not God in their lives, who have nothing better to do than to mind other people's business, and thank God it is not them! 

Here is a clear instance in which one can say: 

THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, GO I! 

It makes one shudder!!

I pray this piece of raw sewage is not a parent! God forbid such genes to multiply! 


I wouldn't doubt IT to be ridden with holes throughout the body, with tattoos all over, that would give IT the demon look IT conveys of its inner-self!!

A repulsive image, indeed, to match the mouth!!

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Ephesians 4:29 (King James Bible) 

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June 30, 2011:
I just find so very extremely humorous the extremely appropriate usernames some have OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING!  It seems my response to soosidecelt aka SoInDeceit has hit a nerve that has catapulted this deplorable character into LALALAND!

Actually, that is just another name for the land of deceit, his/her previous abode, in which this character has just taken residence... for now! This the type with which I am so very well acquainted: they open accounts just for the purpose of "speaking" their pathetically diminutive minds for which the use of rational thinking is unknown!

How interesting that this character call me hateful and of moronic writing: I dare anyone to be able to interpret the absurdities this idiot writes! I can boast of some knowledge of the language and yet, cannot make heads of tails of the rant, except to know that this is a LOST person, devoid of any intelligence with which to seek the truth!

Ah! Please do not fail to see the LOVE she/he is spreading, as opposed to me who spreads hate, of course!!

I dare say, without seeming to stereotype anyone, I do wish I had been born a Jew! I have a feeling I'd have more pennies to rub against each other than I do now!

I must add that this individual seems to forget that not only was Christ a Jew, but so were His disciples, thanks to whom we have the New Testament! Of course the cult in which this individual delves has had no use for the truth it discloses!

In closing, I do repent that such filth as you, SoInDeceit now in Lalaland, were also created in the image of God! I have a feeling He does too,... grievously!

And it repented the LORD 

that he had made man on the earth, 

and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:6 (King James Bible)

lalaland92 said...

To Helga Hickman; You are such a hateful old bitch! Is that a stupid Christmas carol narration that you wrote on your profile? How could Jesus possibly have gone to college in AD 30? That is the idiotic moronic narration of radio city music hall Christmas Carol! Childish and stupid, it's made for children! you idiot retarded bitch! And you spread HATE! What's your problem? you fucking old witch!

June 30, 2011 11:31 AM

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Helga, you're a bitter old hag, I see from your face and name that you're a Jew, remember? JEWS killed Christ!!! You're such a loathsome mess who are filled with bitterness and Hate!!! you're a disgusting creature and an IDIOT! REPENT OR PERISH! The only hope that you can wait is DEATH!!

June 30, 2011 11:37 AM

Above comments left on my post My response to soosidecelt aka SoInDeceit  

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WHY ME LORD?

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Reading the article about EVANGELICAL LEADERS SIGN STATEMENT PROCLAIMING GOD OF ISLAM AND GOD OF BIBLE AS “ONE GOD”... has devastated me, and I have been delinquent about posting on this my blog. I lack the wherewithal to continue, at least for now.

I can only think of the enormous blessing I feel upon me, that He has bestowed and will for ever more! Such feeling has brought to mind the time when I felt somewhat like this when it was I posted WHY ME LORD?
I am so very tired of "fighting" with those with whom I want to share the truth of God's word! I am tired of being told I am "bashing" Catholics when it is that I cannot help but think "There but for the Grace of God,... go I !" I want Roman Catholics to be saved, as I am! This an assurance the peace for which is indescribable!

This is all I can ask myself: Why me Lord? What have I ever done, to deserve even one of the blessings I've known?! Especially when it is I hear, more often than not, that one does not, statistically, get "called" to the truth after the age of 30. This is very rare! I was 52 when the scales fell off my eyes and I saw, thanks to the Holy Spirit!

Thank you, Lord!

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My response to soosidecelt aka SoInDeceit

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Note: Something is wrong with the formatting in the blog.  I pray they fix it, eventually! I am unable to copy and paste, or even add the paragraph spaces as the response appeared. One can see it better in the addressed post, itself: Catholic errors: BIBLE IGNORANCE. Do they read? by Mack Quigley (random331) 

I am the LORD: that is my name: 

and my glory will I not give to another, 

neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 42:8 (King James Bible)

This is my response earlier to another one of the ignorant comments I get quite often! This last one was posted on

Catholic errors: BIBLE IGNORANCE. Do they read? by Mack Quigley (random331)

Uploaded by random331 on Mar 25, 2011

 

Catholics stare at graven images and lose their appetite for Bible reading.

soosidecelt said...

Wow....So this author considers himself christian ? What a horrible, bitter individual.

June 26, 2011 10:18 AM  

soosidecelt said...

Ha...and you screen your comments too. Better not let any truth get in the way of a bit of Catholic-Bashing eh? You are an idiot, pal !

June 26, 2011 10:20 AM  

Helga Hickman said...

Hello, SoInDeceit!! Indeed, as much of a Christian as Christ, Himself, was, which is what you do not like! As Christ said, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Bet you NEVER heard that before, right?! Well, you may find it in your corrupted bible in Matthew 10:34. While you are at it, look up 2 Corinthians 2:14 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?," the Roman Catholic CULT to embody the darkness in this world through the centuries! It would also behoove you to read just where YOU will end up together with your church: IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!! Read Revelation 17 and 18 in which Christ speaks of your CULT!! Gee! Come to think of it, Christ was not very Christian, now, was he, according to you, since it will be HE to fling you in the Lake of Fire! Tell me, if in the middle of the night I saw smoke coming out of your house, should I just not "disturb" your sleep, given the hour? THIS IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT! CHRIST IS ABOUT TO COME TO JUDGE YOU AND FLING YOU IN THE LAKE OF FIRE! THINK OF IT!! It takes more love to say no to a child than to say yes! So, you see, it is out of love that we warn you! For there but for the GRACE OF GOD go I! I was deceived for 52 years in the RCC, happy to just have my ears tickled, and am very so grateful that the Holy Spirit opened my eyes! I pray He opens yours, too! Helga PS: I screen the comments for the sole purpose of NOT allowing that some post "ear-tickling" sites to view which embrace everything! GOD IS PURE and will not "mingle" with filth! Filth He destroys, as he did through the flood in Noah's day: only eight were saved! Can anyone imagine that? Christ said:  13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14 (King James Bible) WILL YOU BE AMONG THE FEW?

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EVANGELICAL LEADERS SIGN STATEMENT PROCLAIMING GOD OF ISLAM AND GOD OF BIBLE AS “ONE GOD”, CHRISTIANITY TODAY FACING TWO WAYS ON ADAM, U.N. PASSES “HISTORIC” HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS RESOLUTION, and more...

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 I found reading this to be so very distressing, I could not even post it last Friday!

Anyway, as I had stated in my post It was just a matter of time: CHRISLAM has arrived! 

It has, and it is here to stay! May God have mercy on us! Such utter disrespect He will not tolerate!

 ¹³Enter ye in at the strait gate: 

for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, 

that leadeth to destruction, 

and many there be which go in thereat:

 ¹⁴Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, 

which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 7:13-14 (King James Bible)

PLEASE BE SURE TO BE COUNTED AMONG THE FEW!!

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CHRISTIANITY TODAY FACING TWO WAYS ON ADAM (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - Hindu gods can face in multiple directions at once; they can be male and female; good and bad. This reminds me of Christianity Today’s approach to doctrine. It is pure emerging church: syncretistic, uncertain, despising dogmatism. CT was founded by Billy Graham in 1956 as the flagship publication of New Evangelical thought, and its rapid apostasy is a loud warning to those fundamentalists who are enticed today by “conservative evangelicalism.” Christianity Today was very conservative in its early years. The thing that destroyed the magazine’s spiritual discernment was the renunciation of separatism and the subsequent evil associations. “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1. Cor. 15:33). Now CT thinks it is possible to believe in the Bible while disbelieving what the Bible teaches about Adam. The June 2011 report entitled “The Search for the Historical Adam” is a shameless apologetic for “theistic evolution,” which is a cheap sellout to Darwinism. In particular, CT enthuses over geneticist John Collins, “one of the most eminent scientists ever to identify as an evangelical Christianity,” who “staunchly defends Darwinian evolution even as he insists on God as the Creator.” Predictably, CT also cites that evangelical superhero C.S. Lewis as an authority for rejecting the biblical Adam. Lewis ridiculously believed that man arose from the “animal form” and at some point God smote the evolving animal with human consciousness. For the sake of dialogue, CT also briefly cites the “conservative” view that “If Adam doesn’t exist, Paul’s whole argument [in Romans 5] falls apart.” Indeed, this isn’t just a “conservative” view, it is the only view that is taught in Scripture: by Moses (Gen. 2:19-23; 3:8, 9, 17, 20, 21; 4:1, 25; 5:1-5; Deut. 32:8), by Chronicles (1 Chron. 1:1), by Job (31:33), by Luke (Lk. 3:38), by Paul (Rom. 5:14; 1 Cor. 15:22, 45; 1 Tim. 2:13, 14), and by Jude (Jude 14). If Adam was not a real man, the Bible’s Messianic genealogy is nonsense and the gospel is a fairy tale. “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli ... which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God” (Luke 3:23, 38). If Adam was not a real man, then who or what died when Adam died (Genesis 5:5)?

EVANGELICAL LEADERS SIGN STATEMENT PROCLAIMING GOD OF ISLAM AND GOD OF BIBLE AS “ONE GOD” (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - At a time when “evangelical conservative” John Piper has joined hands with Rick Warren in ministry and has proclaimed him theologically sound, we would remind our readers that Warren signed “A Christian Response to ‘A Common Word Between Us and You’” in November 2007. This document says that Muslims and Christians worship the same God and claims that “the future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians.” The statement says, “... we must engage in interfaith dialogue as those who seek each other’s good, for the one God unceasingly seeks our good” (http://www.yale.edu/faith/acw/acw.htm). It was signed by the two major evangelical church growth gurus in America, Rick Warren and Bill Hybels. In this act they joined hands with hundreds of other signatories, including Roman Catholics (e.g., “Father” Joseph Daoust, President of the Jesuit School of Theology Berkeley) and prominent theological modernists and emergents (e.g. Harvey Cox and Elizabeth Fiorenza of Harvard Divinity School, Tony Jones of Emergent Village, and Brian McLaren), and self-esteem guru Robert Schuller. Other “evangelicals” who signed this unscriptural document were Leith Anderson (President of the National Association of Evangelicals), Robert Cooley (President Emeritus, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary), Mike Edens (Associate Dean of Graduate Studies, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary), Timothy George (Beeson Divinity School at Samford University), Lynn Green (International Chairman of Youth With A Mission), Peter Kuzmic (Gordon-Conwell), David Neff (Editor in Chief Christianity Today), Roy Oksnevad (Institute of Strategic Evangelism at Wheaton College), Richard Mouw (President of Fuller Theological Seminary), Doug Pennoyer (Dean of the School of Intercultural Studies, Biola University), John Stott (Rector Emeritus of All Souls Church London), Michael Treneer (International President of The Navigators), Berten Waggoner (National Director of the Vineyard Churches), David Yonggi Cho (senior pastor Yoido Full Gospel Church Seoul), and Bruce Clemenger (President of The Evangelical Fellowship of Canada).

Please click on the following posts to see how this "mixing" should not be:

The god of Islam is NOT the God of Christianity!!

Why Allah cannot be the God of the Bible (1)Why Allah cannot be the God of the Bible (2)
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U.N. PASSES “HISTORIC” HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS RESOLUTION (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - At the instigation of Hillary Clinton and the U.S. State Department, the United Nations Human Rights Council passed a resolution supporting “equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation” (“U.N.,” CNN, June 17, 2011). Secretary of state Hillary Clinton “has made gay rights a key focus of the State Department’s human rights agenda, expressing her view that ‘gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights.’”  She is therefore a fitting handmaiden to President Obama and his vision to acclaim and empower moral perversion. Suzanne Nossell, spokeswoman for the State Department, said that “this is really a critical beginning of a universal recognition of a new set of rights that forms part of the international system.” The United Nations is an antichrist institution that is at the forefront of building a one-world government and one-world religion, and it is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Jesus likened the end-times to the days of Sodom and Gomorrah (Luke 17:26-30). John prophesied that the end-times Babylon will be “the hold of every foul spirit” (Rev. 18:2). We are witnessing the fulfillment of Psalm 2 as the world unites “against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us” (verses 1-3). This refers to the wholesale rejection of God’s holy laws and the spread of moral relativism.
HOLLYWOOD ACTRESS CALLS MARRIAGE A DYING INSTITUTION (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - Actress Cameron Diaz has joined a long line of Hollywood elites who hate the institution of marriage. She calls it a “dying institution” and says that “we have to make our own rules” (“Is Marriage a ‘Dying’ Institution?” Associated Baptist Press, June 17, 2011). Not to be outdone, Fox News “expert” Keith Ablow said that “marriage is a source of real suffering for the vast majority of married people.” Fox News is more politically “conservative” than outfits like CNN or USA Today, but it is as much a handmaiden of the filthy pop culture and the philosophy of moral relativism as any of them. Surveys tell us that Diaz is right about marriage being a dying institution. A new Gallup Poll found that 60% of Americans believe it is morally acceptable for an unmarried man and woman to have sex, and multitudes are flaunting holy matrimony. Whereas only 5% of children were born out of wedlock 50 years ago, that figure has risen to 41% today. The entertainment industry has a big responsibility for these frightful statistics. Marriage has been under assault in modern times since the onslaught of rock & roll in the 1950s. Elvis believed in marriage, but he didn’t believe in holy marriage. As for Ablow’s claim that marriage is a source of suffering for the “vast majority” of married people, I have never seen evidence of that. In the 61 years I have lived on this earth, I have personally observed marriage to be a great blessing to countless people. And if it is so terrible, why do the majority of people still practice it? Why do even divorced people typically return to the altar for a second dose of this alleged most miserable of contracts? The bottom line is that marriage is God’s law and it is perfectly fitting to satisfy the deepest human needs at both an individual, family, and societal level, and that is why it has endured 6,000 years of Satanic-inspired assault. Only the Lord knows how many Hollywood actresses have in their old age wished they had paid more respect to holy matrimony.

BRITISH HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION HEAD SAYS “OLD TIME” CHRISTIANS INCOMPATIBLE WITH MODERN SOCIETY (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - Trevor Phillips, Chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, says that “old time” Christians are a greater threat to modern society than Muslims. In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, Phillips said that “an old time religion” is “in my view incompatible with a modern, multi-ethnic, multicultural society” (“Christians Are More Militant Than Muslims,” The Telegraph, June 19, 2011). He warned about “fundamentalist Christians who are holding increasing sway over the mainstream churches” and who allegedly want to pick a fight with the government and throw their weight around, particularly over the issue of homosexuality. On the other hand Phillips praised Muslims for working hard “to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy.” This man is living in a never-never land. There are not many “fundamentalist” Christians in all of Britain, and they simply want to be left alone to practice their religious faith without persecution from an increasingly unsympathetic Big Brother. As for Muslims doing their best to integrate,  the fact is that many of the mosques are producing terrorists who have traveled far and wide to kill and maim and destroy. There are entire neighborhoods that are operated as Muslim enclaves and care far more about Islamic law than British law or humanistic political correctness.
POP GODS (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - The pop culture has captured the heart and soul of a vast number of people, from Tweens to Boomers, and it is a worldwide phenomenon. Pop musicians, actors, and athletes are modern gods and goddesses. Consider what they earned from their devotees last year. In the music field, U2 earned $195 million; Bon Jovi, $125 million; Elton John, $100 million; Lady Gaga, $90 million; Jay-Z and Beyonce (they are married), $72 million; Michael Bublé, $70 million; Paul McCartney, $66 million; Justin Bieber, $53 million. And we must not forget the sports gods. In spite of his breathtaking tumble from #1 ranking to #13 or beyond, golfer Tiger Woods was still the highest paid athlete, earning $75 million in the year ending May 2011. Basketball players Kobe Bryant and LeBron James were second and third, respectively, at $53 million and $48 million. The top 50 highest-paid athletes earned a combined $1.4 BILLION. Highest paid Hollywood movie stars include James Cameron ($257 million), Johnny Depp ($100 million), Leonardo DiCaprio ($62 million), Robert Downey, Jr. ($31.5 million), Will Smith ($28.5 million), and Jennifer Aniston ($24.5 million). The top 20 highest paid stars, directors, and producers earned a total of $1.04 BILLION.
CHURCH OF SWEDEN FILLED WITH ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - According to a new survey, only 15 percent of the members of the Church of Sweden say they believe in Jesus, while 40% identify themselves as either atheist or agnostic (“Swedish Church Members Don’t Believe,” The Local, June 15, 2011). Jonas Bromander, the analyst responsible for the study, said, “It’s not really a problem.” Of the 6.6 million members of the Church of Sweden, only 400,000 attend services even once a month. Until 1996, church membership was automatic at birth for infants of parents who were members. The heresies of state churchism and infant baptism were drug out of the Roman Catholic Church by Protestants, and this is one reason why biblical Christianity is nearly dead across England and Europe. The stage is set for the appearance of the Antichrist. “Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8).

WESTBORO RIGHT ABOUT CALVINISM, WRONG ABOUT GOD (Friday Church News Notes, June 24, 2011, www.wayoflife.org fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, picketed Mars Hill Church in Seattle last Sunday to protest the gospel that “God loves everyone and Jesus died for the sins of all of mankind” (“Westboro to Picket at Mars Hills Megachurch,” Christian Post, June 17, 2011). Westboro’s web site says, “God does not love everyone--in fact, He hates the majority of mankind, and has purposed to send them to hell when they die.” Mars Hill’s senior pastor, Mark Driscoll, a Calvinist, replied, “Doctrinally, they are extreme five-point Calvinists, or what I like to call Crazy Calvinists. ... Therefore, they believe all mentions of God’s love in the Bible are in reference to God’s Christian elect and not applicable in any way to others outside God’s elect.” In my experience, most Calvinists like to think of themselves as part of the non-extreme or non-hyper element and there are indeed major and important differences between types of Calvinism, but sovereign election is the fundamental issue. If God has “sovereignly” decided who will be saved without reference to whether or not an individual believes in Christ and if He then sovereignly draws and saves the elect--if people believe simply because they are elect--then there is no possibility of salvation for the non-elect. Under this doctrinal system, one can say in theory that God still loves everyone, but in practice He has determined only to save some and the rest will surely perish, and there is not a thing an individual can do to change his predetermined destiny. As Dave Hunt so eloquently asks in his book by that title, “What love is this?” Westboro Baptist Church is a ridiculous little congregation composed largely of the family members of its pastor, Fred Phelps. They run around to photo ops preaching their message of God’s hatred toward mankind, but they are dead wrong about God, as John so wonderful stated: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16), and, “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love” (1 John 4:8). Jesus commanded us to preach the Gospel to every creature, and Westboro’s message is no Gospel (Good News) at all. So they are dead wrong about God. But it appears to me that they are right about Calvinism. If sovereign election is true as Calvinism defines it, then it looks for all practical purposes that God does indeed hate the non-elect. This is not because God actually does hate the non-elect; it is because the Calvinist system of theology is misguided and has gone off the rails in its attempt to systematize things that can’t be systematized and to understand things that can’t be understood this side of eternity. I once asked a prominent Calvinist, a man I consider a friend and for whom I have great respect, the following simply question: “Do you believe that anyone can be saved today?” He refused to give a straight answer to this question, because he thinks of himself as a “non-hyper” Calvinist who believes that God loves all men. In my mind, and according to my understanding of Scripture, nothing is more clear than the teaching that anyone can be saved who hears and believes the gospel, and anyone CAN believe the gospel, not just the elect. Thus, if I cannot respond with an unequivocal “Yes” to the aforementioned question, then something is wrong with my theology.


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This sermon is so very appropriate in view of the article John Michael Talbot by David Cloud and the "ecumenical net" which John Michael Talbot professes!

We are called to be holy, separate from anything that is not of God!

Awesome teaching!

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Then I got to talk about a couple of his videos which are so very great that I have gotten, for which I tanked him and wished him well!

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¹⁴Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

 ¹⁵And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

 ¹⁶And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 ¹⁷Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

 ¹⁸And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 2 Corinthians 6:14:18 (King James Bible)

John Michael Talbot

June 21, 2011

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The following is excerpted from the book CONTEMPLATIVE MYSTICISM: A POWERFUL ECUMENICAL BOND, which is available from Way of Life Literature. Contemplative mysticism, which originated with Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox monasticism, is permeating every branch of Christianity today, including the Southern Baptist Convention. 

In this book we document the fact that Catholic mysticism leads inevitably to a broadminded ecumenical philosophy and to the adoption of heresies. For many, this path has led to interfaith dialogue, Buddhism, Hinduism, universalism, pantheism, panentheism, even goddess theology. One chapter is dedicated to exposing the heresies of Richard Foster: “Evangelicalism’s Mystical Sparkplug.” We describe the major contemplative practices, such as centering prayer, visualizing prayer, Jesus Prayer, Lectio Divina, and the labyrinth. We look at the history of Roman Catholic monasticism, beginning with the Desert Fathers and the Church Fathers, and document the heresies associated with it, such as its sacramental gospel, rejection of the Bible as sole authority, veneration of Mary, purgatory, celibacy, asceticism, allegorical interpretation of Scripture, and moral corruption. We examine the errors of contemplative mysticism, such as downplaying the centrality of the Bible, ignoring the fact that multitudes of professing Christians are not born again, exchanging the God of the Bible for a blind idol, ignoring the Bible’s warnings against associating with heresy and paganism, and downplaying the danger of spiritual delusion.

A major section of the book is entitled “A Biographical Catalog of Contemplative Mystics” which deals with dozens of the current-day contemplative promoters as well as the ancient “saints” and mystics that are being resurrected today, including the following:

Angela of Foligno, Anthony the Great, Augustine, Benedict of Nursia, Bernard of Clairvaux, Ken Blanchard, Bonaventure, Brother Lawrence, Catherine of Genoa, Catherine of Siena, Larry Crabb, Anthony De Mello, Dominic, Meister Eckhart, Tilden Edwards, James Finely, Richard Foster, Matthew Fox, Frances de Sales, Francis of Assisi, Alan Griffiths, Madame Guyon, Hildegard of Bingen, Ignatius of Loyola, Willigis Jager, John of the Cross, William Johnston, Julian of Norwich, Thomas Keating, Morton Kelsey, Thomas a Kempis, Sue Monk Kidd, Peter Kreeft, John Main, Brennan Manning, Thomas Merton, J.P. Moreland, Henri Nouwen, Basil Pennington, Eugene Peterson, Karl Kahner, Thomas Ryan, William Shannon, Henri Le Saux, Philip St. Roman, David Steindl-Rast, Henry Suso, John Michael Talbot, Johann Tauler, Wayne Teasdale, Pierre Teilhard, Teresa of Avila, Teresa of Lisieux, Majorie Thompson, Phyllis Tickle, Robert Webber, Dallas Willard, John Yungblut

The book contains an extensive index.

482 pages, $19.95 (this week only - half price, $9.95)
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JOHN MICHAEL TALBOT (b. 1954) is a very popular Contemporary Christian Music recording artist, with sales of millions of CDs. He is also influential in the contemplative prayer movement. He represents two of the most powerful glues binding together the ecumenical movement, contemporary music and contemplative mysticism.

Talbot was raised Methodist, but in his book Come to the Quiet he thanks his parents for “installing a great love for world religions with me in my formative years.” From about age 10 he was singing and playing professionally with his siblings in folk bands. At age 15 he dropped out of school and formed the folk rock band Mason Proffit with his older brother Terry. They opened for Janis Joplin, the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, and other well-known groups and sold hundreds of thousands of records. At age 17 he married, and soon thereafter he began an earnest investigation into religion.

In 1971 Talbot was in a motel room praying, “God, are you a he, a she, or an it?” when he “saw a Christ figure standing over” him (Come to the Quiet, p. 5).

“I saw an image that looked like Jesus--it was a typical Christ figure--an incredible sight. [Another one!  These seem to be crawling out of the woodwork, today! Anything for their 15 minutes worth of fame! Some make videos about this "experience" and what Jesus told them to tell others!] He didn’t say anything--he was just there. ... I had been reading about Jesus and feeling him in my heart, but at that moment I actually experienced his touch. I knew it was Jesus” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 46).

He says, “From then on, I began calling myself a Christian again, though I didn’t understand Christian theology.”

At this point he claims to have turned in a fundamentalist direction, becoming a “Bible thumper.” He doesn’t say what kind of “fundamentalism” it was, though. He says that he kept his shoulder-length hair and was not committed to any one congregation, so it is hard to say what he was involved with. It sounds like it was his own sort of “fundamentalism” that he devised from various sources. [Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14 (King James Bible)] 

He describes the experience only in negative terms, saying that he became very skeptical of any other religion (as if that were wrong!) and was ready with a Scripture for any question or problem. [Except his long hair, obviously!] He considered the Catholic Church “the great whore of Babylon.”

He looks back on all of that as a negative thing, but in reality it is the way of the truth, which is very strict and narrow. The Psalmist said, “Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way” (Psa. 119:128).

He says that when he visited friends he would “come on like a Bible thumper, condemning their life-styles and spitting out Scripture verses to make my point. I scared them to death! I know they were thinking, ‘Hey, John boy, you’ve changed. You’re not the loving, patient friend you were before.’ And they were absolutely right” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 63).

This is a strange way to describe what was happening, unless there is something he is not telling us. Perhaps he wasn’t kind and humble and gentle with his friends. If so, the problem was with him and not with “fundamentalism.”

He doesn’t say, but it is definitely not wrong to quote Scripture and to warn people that they need to be saved before it is too late. The Lord Jesus Christ preached frequently on hell in the most forceful of terms (e.g., Mark 9:43-48).

As for a believer’s old friends thinking he has gone crazy and not being particularly thrilled with his new life, that has been happening for 2,000 years. The apostle Peter described it in his day. “Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you” (1 Peter 4:1).

As for rebuking sin, that is the legitimate and God-designed purpose of the Law. It exposes sin to make men see their lost condition so that they will flee to Christ (Romans 3:19). The Bible commands the believer not only not to have any fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, “but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11).

As for the idea that this is not an act of love, it is actually the most loving and friendly thing one can do! Unbelievers don’t consider it loving; they want the Bible believer to keep his religion to himself, but the day will come when they will understand that preaching the Scripture and warning of spiritual danger is a most compassionate gesture.

Talbot says that during those days he talked Catholics out of their church and “convinced them they couldn’t really be saved in the Catholic church with all that idol worship and repeated ritual” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 63).

He claims that he “was becoming more centered on that book than on Jesus” and “was unwittingly committing the sin of bibliolatry” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 65).

We don’t know what was going on in his heart, but it is impossible to walk with Christ properly without making the Bible central to one’s Christian life. This is not bibliolatry; it is obedience. Fundamentalists don’t worship the Bible; they worship God; but the honor the Bible for what it claims to be, the very Word of God. The Lord Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:31-32), and, “He that is of God heareth God’s words” (John 8:47), and, “My sheep hear my voice” (John 10:27), and, “I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them” (John 17:8). [I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Psalm 138:12 (King James Bible)].

Along that time Talbot’s wife divorced him and later remarried. In Come to the Quiet, Talbot seems to blame fundamentalism and a dogmatic Christian faith even for this (p. 6). In fact, he blames fundamentalism for just about everything, for his friends leaving him and his family becoming “worried about” him and the fact that he “had hit bottom.”

He claims that he “became a pretty terrible person to be around,” but he can’t rightfully blame that on a strict Bible faith. If it is true that he was a terrible person to be around, then it was a personal problem.

Through counsel with a preacher in the liberal American Baptist Church, Talbot began to soften his zeal. He also entered the contemporary Christian music world, which further tempered his fundamentalist enthusiasm. Contemporary Christian Music has always had a tolerant, non-doctrinal, ecumenical outlook. He signed with Billy Ray Hearn’s new label, Sparrow Records. CCM’s radical ecumenical philosophy is evident by the fact that when Talbot converted to Catholicism and wanted to continue recording albums under Sparrow, Hearn was supportive. Talbot’s first album as a Catholic was wrongly titled “The Lord’s Supper”; it was actually about the Catholic Mass. Talbot says: “When Billy Ray sensed the spirit of renewal that came through loud and clear on this album, he became excited about the potential for ministry to the broader Catholic market” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 114).

Talbot was receptive when the road manager of his band gave him a book about Francis of Assisi. This set him on the path to Roman Catholicism, mysticism, and interfaith dialogue. He read Thomas Merton, Thomas à Kempis, John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, Bernard of Clairvaux, the Cloud of Unknowing, and other Catholic mystical writings.

He began meeting with a Catholic priest named Martin Wolter at Alverna, a Franciscan retreat center in Indianapolis (now defunct).

In 1978 he joined the Roman Catholic Church, and within a year his parents followed. He claims that God spoke to him and said: “She is my first Church, and I love her most dearly. But she has been sick and nearly died, but I am going to heal her and raise her to new life, and I want you to be a part of her” (Come to the Quiet, p. 7).
Obviously this was a deluding spirit, because the first churches described in the Bible were nothing like the Roman Catholic Church. Peter was married. He did not operate as a pope. He didn’t sit on a throne or wear special clothes and lord it over his brethren. In the early churches described in the New Testament there was no special ordained priesthood, no ceremony like the Mass, no host, no monstrance, no bells, no incense, no tabernacle, no prayers to Mary, no special sainthood, no purgatory, no cardinals, no archbishops, no infant baptism, no holy relics.

The same year he joined the Catholic Church Talbot became a lay “brother” in the Secular Franciscan Order and began to live at Alverna as a hermit. He claims that he had a powerful mystical experience on the feast day of Mary’s (mythical) assumption into heaven. He was walking by the Shrine to Our Lady of Lourdes with its statue of Mary and felt called to build a little shack nearby so that he could enter contemplative solitude.

In 1982 he founded the Little Portion Hermitage in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, and in 1990 the Brothers and Sisters of Charity was approved by the Catholic Church. This is “an integrated monastic community of families, celibates and singles,” and Talbot is “General Minister and Spiritual Father.” The community, which is formally recognized by the Catholic Church as a “Public Association of the Faithful,” has about 40 members who live on the 250-acre property in Arkansas and another 500 nationwide.

In 1989 Talbot broke his Franciscan vow of celibacy and married Viola Pratka, who also broke her vow of celibacy as a nun to enter the marriage.

In April 2008 the chapel, library, offices, and many common areas of the hermitage were destroyed in a fire.

When he was beginning to study Catholicism at Alverna, Talbot thought of giving up his music. He had entered the CCM movement after leaving Mason Profit, and his “early albums presented a conservative, Protestant theology.”

The Catholic priest counseled him to think twice about this decision, saying, “I think God has chosen you as A BRIDGE BUILDER...” (Troubadour for the Lord, p. 90).

This is exactly what he has done. He has used his music as a bridge between Catholicism and Protestantism. His albums were the first by a Catholic artist to be accepted by both Protestant and Catholic listeners.

“In 1988, Billboard Magazine reported that Talbot out-ranked all other male Christian artists in total career albums sold. After more than three million sales with Sparrow Records, making him Sparrow’s all-time best-selling recording artist, John Michael Talbot started a new record label in 1992 called Troubadour for the Lord” (“John Michael Talbot,” Talbot’s web site).

Surveys have shown that 60 percent of Talbot’s listeners are non-Catholic. [A little leaven....]

In 1996 Talbot produced an ecumenical album (Brother to Brother) jointly with fellow CCM performer Michael Card, an evangelical. Of this venture, Card testified: “Doing this project has enabled us to become real friends. And along the way, the denominational lines have become really meaningless to me, and to John, too” (CCM Magazine, July 1996).

To say that denominational lines are meaningless is to say that doctrine is not important, because doctrine is one of the key things that divide denominations and churches. Some churches teach sound doctrine about Jesus Christ and some teach false. Some teach sound doctrine about salvation; some, false. Some teach sound doctrine about baptism; some, false. Some teach sound doctrine about the Holy Spirit; some, false. Some teach sound doctrine about the New Testament church; some, false.

Timothy’s job in Ephesus was “that thou mightest charge some that they TEACH NO OTHER DOCTRINE” (1 Timothy 1:3). That is a very strict position on doctrine. When a church stands upon the whole counsel of New Testament doctrine, it automatically becomes divided from churches that stand for different doctrine. This cannot be avoided, and it is not wrong. In fact, God forbids sound churches from associating with those who hold different doctrine (Romans 16:17).

In an article entitled “Our Fathers, and Our Divided Family,” in the Catholic charismatic magazine New Covenant, Talbot called for Christian unity on the basis of the Roman Catholic papacy:

“A Roman Catholic, I respect other Christians. [Sorry, Roman Catholics are NOT Christian!] We are especially close to those who value apostolic tradition [? There was NO apostle in the Roman Catholic Church! It is Simon Magus about whom they speak, their first pope!] as well as Scripture. But even in this we face further debates that are obstacles to complete Christian unity. THIS IS WHY THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH INSISTS THAT SCRIPTURE, TRADITION AND MAGISTERIUM ARE NECESSARY FOR A FULLY UNIFIED PEOPLE. [Yes, the KEY word here to be UNIFIED! That is what Constantine did in the Fourth Century, he UNIFIED THE PAGANS AND THE CHRISTIANS INTO ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION! Look it up! Catholic = UNIVERSAL!] WE ROMAN CATHOLICS FIND THIS IN THE POPE AS BISHOP OF ROME, TOGETHER WITH THE BISHOPS OF THE CHURCHES IN FULL COMMUNION WITH ROME. [vs the TRUE CHRISTIANS who find all in CHRIST ALONE!] This has theologically freed us to develop the greatest mystical [INDEED! so very hard to shed the ROOTS brought in with Simon Magus, THE SORCERER!] and functional unity in Christendom. It has also given us an authority that enables us to enter into interfaith and ecumenical dialogue without defensiveness. ... [Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14 (King James Bible) Many more such verses in SCRIPTURE!] May we all hear these ancient truths and experience real conversion of heart” (John Talbot, "Our Fathers, and Our Divided Family,” New Covenant, September 1997, p. 21).

Talbot says Catholic tradition and the papacy are equal in authority with the Scripture. He says true Christian unity can be found only in fellowship with the pope of Rome. He prays that his readers will hear this message and experience conversion to Rome. What could be more unscriptural? The apostle Paul said anyone, even an angel from heaven, that preaches a false gospel is cursed of God (Galatians 1). The Roman Catholic popes, with their sacramental gospel and blasphemous claims and titles, have been under this curse from their origin. Nowhere does the New Testament say the apostles passed on their authority at death. The true apostles were given miracle-working signs to authenticate their calling (2 Corinthians 12:12). Nowhere does the New Testament establish a pope over all of the churches, and nowhere do we see Peter acting as a pope. We don’t need the so-called “church fathers” to explain to us the rule of faith and practice; God has given us the infallible and perfectly sufficient rule in the Holy Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16-17) [EXCEPT, the Roman Catholic Church has THROUGH THE CENTURIES INGRAINED in the brain of its members that they are not capable of reading Scripture on their own! Brain-washing done at its best! And to think that it was to the simple people whom Christ came to preach!] which were completed during the days of the apostles (Jude 3) and sealed with a solemn seal in Revelation 22:18-19 which forbids anyone to add to or take away from what God has revealed.

Talbot says that we need to obey the pope:

“I believe that today we need a true sense of obedience to the pope once again” (Hermitage: Its Heritage and Challenge for the Future, p. 167).

“I believe we must stay in radical union with the primary structure of the pope and the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church...” (p. 173).

As wrong-headed as Talbot’s theology is, there is room for it in the doctrinally confused world of Contemporary Christian Music and the contemplative prayer movement. He is considered a brother in Christ and is welcomed with open arms, even in the face of God’s commands that we mark and avoid those who promote doctrine contrary to that taught by the apostles (Romans 16:17-18).

The devil is using the ecumenical thrust of CCM to break down the walls between truth and error toward the completion of the one-world apostate “church.”

Referring to the mixed crowds who attended the Talbot/Card concerts in Catholic churches, Talbot said that he delights to see Protestants who never would have darkened the doorstep of a Catholic church come to one of his concerts.

“All of a sudden they say, ‘Hey, I feel very much at home here. That doesn't mean necessarily I want to be a Roman Catholic, but I feel very much at home worshipping God with other people who are not that different from me’” (John Talbot, quoted in “Interfaith Album Strikes Sour Note,” Peter Smith, Religious News Service, Dec. 8, 1996).

In 1996 Talbot was instrumental in forming the Catholic Musicians Association to encourage Catholic musicians and to help them find a place in the more mainstream world of CCM. Joining Talbot at the founding meeting in April 1996 were Tony Melendez, Dana, Susan Stein (executive of Heartbeat Records), Paulette McCoy (Oregon Catholic Press), and Catholic officials and professionals involved in marketing and publicity (Steve Rabey, “Association Formed to Support Catholic Music,” CCM Update, May 27, 1996). At the meeting Stein said she “would like Protestants and Catholics to set aside what are basically petty differences” and urged evangelicals “to be a bit less judgmental and a bit more open to understanding.”

There is nothing “petty” about the differences between Roman Catholicism and Bible-believing Christianity!

The charismatic emphasis, though without tongues, is also seen in Talbot's experience. “Dreams and other direct ‘revelations’ from God account for his increasing conviction that the Roman Church holds the key to the future” (Peck, Rock-Making Musical Choices).

Talbot’s music is mostly acoustic folk and ballad style, but he also incorporates chanting and a wide variety of other music forms, including rock. Talbot promotes the false philosophy of the neutrality of music:

“We need to know rock ‘n’ roll. We need to know the gentleness of a folk tune. We need to know the majesty of Handel’s Messiah. We need to know the awesome reverence of the Gregorian chant” (John Talbot, CCM Magazine, July 1998, p. 28).

Talbot has also used “contemplative spirituality” as a bridge between Catholics and non-Catholics.

In fact, Talbot’s contemplative practices are a bridge between idolatrous eastern religions on one hand and the evangelicals who are influenced by him on the other. He says:

“I began practicing meditation, specifically breath prayer, once again. I integrated the use of Tai Chi and yoga into my morning workout. ... I found the enlightenment of the Buddha and the Bodhisattva, the way of the Taoist and Confucian sage, and the freedom of the Hindu sannyasin, or holy man, through this full integration in Christ” (Talbot, Come to the Quiet, p. 8). [Yes, so does the pope when he places the statue of Buddha atop the tabernacle on the altar and a Buddhist is offering prayers there! Yes, when the pope takes the Pagan Sign of the Tilak! Yes, when the pope bows and kisses the Koran! Indeed, quite enlightening to see such filth and as such, RUN AWAY FROM IT! COME OUT OF HER, SAY THE SCRIPTURES! Revelation 18. THERE IS NO COMPROMISE TO BE HAD, PERIOD! GOD IS PURE! HE WOULD NOT CARE FOR SUCH FILTH TO BE WITHIN HIS PEOPLE!]

“For myself, after the moving meditations of Hinduism and Taoism, and the breath, bone-marrow, and organ-cleansing of Taoism, I move into a Buddhist seated meditation, including the Four Establishments of Mindfulness. I do all of this from my own Christian perspective...” (Come to the Quiet, p. 237).

On his web site Talbot says:

“Personally, I have found the Christian use of such techniques as centering prayer most helpful in entering more fully into the peace of the contemplative experience as described by the Christian mystics. While our own tradition does well in describing the theology and steps of such contemplation, THE NON-CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS OFTEN DO BETTER IN TREATING THE ACTUAL MECHANICS OF MEDITATION, SUCH AS BREATH, POSTURE AND SPECIFIC MENTAL FOCUS, ETC. ... I have discovered a deeper experience of contemplation that helps me remain calmer and Christ-like in the midst of the ups and downs of fulfilling my leadership responsibilities. ... THE USE OF THE ‘MECHANICS OF MEDITATION’ AS TAUGHT BY OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE OTHER FAITHS can sometimes be helpful if used correctly to augment the classical Catholic teachings on the spiritual life” (Talbot, “Many Religions, One God,” Oct. 22, 1999, http://www.johnmichaeltalbot.com/Reflections/index.asp?id=135).

Talbot goes on to warn that there is spiritual danger in using pagan meditation techniques!  [Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!  If this isn't hilarious!!]

“On the Pastoral level I would point out that I do this after 20 plus years of Christian and Catholic experience of being fully immersed and guided by a wise and orthodox Friar in the Patristic and monastic/contemplative tradition of orthodox Catholic Christianity. Without this grounding I would easily find myself confused by so many different voices and spirits about meditation and prayer, not to mention the basic understanding of God and Jesus Christ. IT CAN BE MOST DESTRUCTIVE IF USED UNWISELY. I CAN ALMOST PROMISE THAT THOSE WHO UNDERTAKE THIS STUDY ALONE WITHOUT PROPER GUIDANCE, AND GROUNDING IN CATHOLIC CHRISTIANITY, WILL FIND THEMSELVES QUESTIONING THEIR OWN FAITH TO THE POINT OF LOSING IT. SOME MAY FIND THEMSELVES SPIRITUALLY LOST. IT HAS HAPPENED TO MANY. For this reason, we do not take the newer members of The Brothers and Sisters of Charity through this material in any depth as part of their formation, but stick squarely to overt Catholic spirituality and prayer teachings. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TOO MUCH INTEGRATION OF THESE THINGS WITHOUT PROPER GUIDANCE for those newer to the Catholic or Christian faith” (Talbot, “Many Religions, One God,” Oct. 22, 1999). [Now, isn't this pathetic! Here are those whom the Vatican think to be too stupid to be able to comprehend the simple word of God, but, it is quite alright to risk delving in the fields of the Devil, himself!]

Talbot thus recognizes the extreme danger of pagan contemplative practices, yet he thinks he is capable of using them without being harmed by them. He should listen to the words of Scripture: “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Corinthians 15:33).

In fact, Talbot has been deeply influenced and corrupted by his association with paganism. [As are Roman Catholics!] First, it confirmed him in the heresies of Rome. Next, it confirmed to him that paganism is not so pagan and that salvation might be found in them. [Indeed, another Billy Graham!]

He speaks of his “brothers and sisters” in other religions, saying:

“Christianity emphasizes the role of Jesus as the ultimate Incarnation of God to complete all that is good in other faiths” (“The Many Paths of Religion, and the One God of Faith,” part 2, October 1999, http://www.johnmichaeltalbot.com/Reflections/index.asp?id=137).

This is not what biblical Christianity emphasizes! Biblical Christianity emphasizes that Jesus is the ONLY incarnation of God and the other religions are darkness and error. The prophet Isaiah said, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is NO light in them” (Isa. 8:20), [THIS the very reason only 8 escaped during flood in Noah's day, for the profusion of gods existent that the people were worshiping! IF MIXING WITH OTHERS WERE NOT AGAINST GOD'S COMMAND, WHY WOULD GOD HAVE SAVED JUST 8 PEOPLE!  JUST EIGHT WERE SAVED!] and the Lord Jesus said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them” (John 10:7-8).

Talbot has come to believe that Christianity and other religions find common ground through mystically “experiencing the Ultimate Reality.” He says:

“It is on the level of spirit that we find mystical common ground. THE REALM OF SPIRIT, OR PURE SPIRITUAL INTUITION BEYOND ALL IMAGES, FORMS, OR CONCEPTS, IS WHERE WE ALL BEGIN TO EXPERIENCE THE ULTIMATE REALITY BEYOND ALL THOUGHT, EMOTION, OR SENSUAL PERCEPTION. Yet, this ultimate experience completes all else in a way that enlivens them all. We may call this Reality by different objective names, but the Reality does not change. This realm of spirit is found in breakthrough through the use of paradoxes beyond all logic, image, or form” (“The Many Paths of Religion, and the One God of Faith” Part 2).

This is a pagan concept of God. The born again believer in Jesus Christ does not experience the same spiritual “Reality” as those who are not born again. And the born again Bible believer does not try to encounter God apart from thinking and concepts. Our knowledge of God is taught in the Scripture, and apart from this divine revelation we know nothing certain about God. What Talbot is describing is the pagan mysticism that foolishly and blindly tries to “experience” and “know” God directly apart from doctrine.

Talbot says:

“So it is true that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus, who is the way, the truth, and the life. But the mystics of other faiths also share the Ultimate paradox that constitutes this way. In this we find great compliment and common ground, while also believing in the uniqueness, and completion of all else in Jesus” (“The Many Paths of Religion, and the One God of Faith,” part 2). [UTTERLY REVOLTING!]

This is interfaith mystical gobblygook. In fact, the mystics of other faiths share nothing with us and know nothing about God, and I say that on the authority of the divine revelation given to John the “apostle of love.”

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen” (1 John 5:19-21).

Talbot even recommends Pierre Teilhard, who taught evolution and the deification of man and denied that the Jesus of the Bible is the only Christ. Talbot says, “Teilhard de Chardin broke yet new ground with his Cosmic Christ, and a revolutionary marriage between science and mysticism” (Come to the Quiet, p. 95).

Talbot’s “contemplative” practices include prayers to Rome’s mythical Mary. In his book Simplicity he says:

“Personally, I have found praying the Rosary to be one of the most powerful tools I possess in obtaining simple, childlike meditation on the life of Jesus Christ.”

The Rosary is largely a prayer to Mary as the Queen of Heaven. In 1984 Talbot said:

“I am also feeling the presence of Mary becoming important in my life. ... I feel that she really does love me and intercedes to God on my behalf” (Contemporary Christian Music Magazine, November 1984, p. 47). [The same "Mary" that previously known by Pagans of the days even PRIOR TO CHRIST as SEMIRAMIS, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and her son god, NIMROD! Coincidence?! I don't think so! So very "fulfilling" to Constantine's UNIFYING the pagans and the Christians into ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION! Poor Mary, the REAL MARY knows nothing about how she has been sullied through the centuries! SHE IS ENJOYING HEAVEN, WITH CHRIST!!  IT WOULD NOT BE HEAVEN IF SHE HAD TO SEE THE FILTH HERE ON EARTH! ]

John Michael Talbot has become a very effective bridge between darkness and light.

¹³Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 ¹⁴Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 ¹⁵Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 ¹⁶Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

 ¹⁷Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

 ¹⁸A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 ¹⁹Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 

Matthew 7:13-19 (king James Bible) 

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